Nonetheless if your ultimate goal is a higher velocity supersonic round I will concur that H110 or W269 is the preferred powder. I always record where the bullet will touch the powder. "Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans." . Its a very dense powder. I've used a ton of H110 for .357mag for both pistol and levergun cartridges and 30 carbine in my 2 M1 Carbines in the 15 years. by alamo5000 Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:54 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. NEW CFE Pistol Reduced-Fouling Pistol Powder from Hodgdon, SHOT Show: Hodgdon Introduces New CFE223 Powder, Hodgdon Claims New CFE223 Ball Powder Deters Copper Fouling, New Redding Powder Measure for Small Varmint Cartridges, New 2012 Hodgdon Reloading Manual Coming Soon. Wolf Small Rifle Magnum primers. AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own. Barnes has load data for that bullet, but does not list CFE BLK. If you're looking for a multi-purpose load for the .300 AAC Blackout, this may be the best bullet. It's almost difficult to find a load our barrels do not like. WordPress Theme by Solostream. CFE Pistol is not a magnum pistol powder. VEL. 240 SMK Sounds like a good group, and a lot of powder. Barrel time. I thought Lil' Gun , while a great powder, was "known" as a throat burner powder.. running hotter then other choices. It wasnt the original GI powder, by any means. Any experience with CFE BLK in magnum revolvers? Blackout wasn't even functional, I didn't get a single cycle over 15 test . I quite using H110 in 44 Mag, too much muzzle blast and flash and I can achieve the same velocity (in a revolver) with nearly half as much IMR 800x. Should look something like this data: S Slowbolt Registered Joined Mar 26, 2022 8 Posts For more information, go towww.P65Warnings.ca.gov. VEL. 16 SD, Original load, Hodgdon data. I only loaded 150 grain Hornady bullets when I was loading for a 16" .300 BO carbine. This week 11.5 grains at 2.195 had and ES 56, SD 21. Another round today and almost there, ready for fine tuning. Awesome, thanks. I seated the 150 fmjs at the cannelure. I pulled my trigger group and stripped my bolt. All Rights Reserved. containers. The CFE Pistol is made for 9X19, 40, 38 Super and such. I have not used H110 in my blackout, but I have had very good luck with CFE BLK. It will be a very good powder for carbine length systems and probably lighter bullets. I started this load like I do many. 56 ES 1059 I just need to figure out if a different seating stem would fit the bullets better. 15.8gr H110 chrono'd 1920fps from my 16" with the bullet crimped into the first driving band. ok? It's a very dense powder. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Like 300 Blackout ammunition, it had the ability to be loaded to subsonic or supersonic levels and it would fit in a standard AR15 action and magazine. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 9:48 pm, Post This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. Brass fresh from the tumbler (well maybe 6 mos ago). Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Hodgdon has announced a new faster variant of its popular CFE 223 powder. CFE BLK contains our Copper Fouling Eraser ingredient, originally used in military propellant, which greatly deters copper fouling and contributes to longer periods of top accuracy with less barrel cleaning time. The following is from a 10" test barrel using the 700 gr. You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers. Both of those work very well. (And from what some say, can possibly go faster). 1:13" barrel tho. I say try all of them and see which ones work best. Shot roughly 1" groups at 50. . Also good to use with Magnum revolver cartridges like the .357, .41, .44, .454 Casull and .500 S&W magnum cartridges. Always let your loads stand for at least an hour and re measure the COL. All the way to the max of 23.7. 800 fps Im new to reloading and dont want to make a mistake. 1047 The maxorder quantity of any powder SKU is, https://shop.hodgdon.com/sites/www/files/2022-04/2022-Hodgdon%20Spherical%20Pow. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. Improved Military Rifle IMR 4227. (function() { 11.5 grn 11.2 gr. IMR 4198 does not meter well. For 150 grain bullets: IMR 4227 2.235" Min 16.5 1,785 41,800 CUP Max 17.8 1,908 50,200 CUP Sierra loads for H4227 (I have the Sierra pages printed): H4227 16.0 at 1800 fps to 17.5 at 1950 fps 1007 fps 18.5/H110/125 Sierra SP grouped in 1/2--3/4" range from my Contender . My best CFE BLK load was 200 ft./s slower than my H110 load. I have had trouble before with sunny and snow being too bright. When 350 Legend debuted, Winchester claimed it was the fastest straight wall cartridge ever released. Click "Get Data" to view results. 2.255 COL, 8 barrel pistol gas Shooters World BLACKOUT. (ft/s) PRESSURE GRS. [ARCHIVED THREAD] - You 300BO reloaderswhy H110? Lil' Gun along with H110/W296 (same powder) and AA1680 are all great powders for 300BLK. Can you provide data for reloads using the CFE BLK. I am working with Lil' Gun right now working up loads for a new addition for me, 458 SOCOM. I just loaded at 22.5 and another at 22.0. H110 came out much better than A1680 I assume due to the shorter barrel and faster burn rate of H110. Dellet from 300blacktalk.com forum, ?the leading premiere media outlet where you can learn any and everything about the 300 Blackout caliber?shares his thoughts on the new CFEBLK powder released by Hodgdon after many hours of loading and testing. (Call for this load data) I have not used H110 in my blackout, but I have had very good luck with CFE BLK. I can try a couple with less powder but I cant imagine .5 gr less would stop the bullet from marring. Unfortunately, the majority of all 7.6239 cases are made of steel and feature a Berdan Primer. Almost all loads for this powder call for it to be compressed, some quite a bit. PwrPro 300-MP H110 296 H4227 IMR - 4227 AR - 2205 A - 5744 A - 1680 680 N - 120 H4198 IMR - 4198 200 AR - 2207 2000 A - 2200 LT-32 REL - 7 AR - BMk1 H - 322 A - 2015 AR - 2219 Benchmark IMR - 3031 A - 2230 X-Terminator REL-10x 201 AR - BMk2 3000 N - 130 A - 2460 Sp10 BLC (2) 748 N - 133 Muzzle Velocity: 2,259 fps. That should do the trick for 44 Mag. I knew going in that I might be giving up 2-250fps with the cfe black vs. h110 but I already have 8# of the cfe blk. First round had a fairly large flash, next two were just a few sparks, noise was moderate. A bunch CFE Pistol and a bunch of Blue Dot. -300BlkTalk, 110 grain V-Max CFE BLK load data -300BlkTalk, For Better Bullet Seating Try Lapping Inside of Seating Stems Daily Bulletin, https://www.barnesbullets.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/300AACBlackoutV6ForWeb.pdf, 300 BLK suppressed AR Pistol subsonic reloading, Powder question for reloading 300 Blackout Subsonic. I'm also hearing that people are having good results with CFE BLK but according to the burn rate chart CFE BLK is even slower thank A1680. Thats good news for shooters of small varmint cartridges. You must log in or register to reply here. In a carbine gas I think it has some real potential. Hodgdon Lil'Gun. Shooters World HEAVY PISTOL. And I can attest to the fact it does a number on rock chucks. Not impressed would be the word of the day. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout a range of bullet weights and is perfect for subsonic loads. An ES of 353, SD 133. Despite this huge disparity in pressure, muzzle velocity of the three is about the same (1,940, 1,971, and 1,899 FPS). LC converted 1.350, 1067 fps The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. I think Al in MI uses 300-MP with good results. 208 Hornady Amax Copyright 1996-2023 AR15.COM LLC. Here is a target at fifty yards. CFE BLK is a spherical (ball) powder. The 300 is a heavy for caliber version of the 30 carbine. Ultimate Reloader is not responsible for errors in load data on this website. Great accuracy, very consistent and meters well. Only powders I've used for BLK so far is 1680 and H110, under 150gr Hornady FMJ BTs. 1063 Basically 22 grains, I dropped ten charges and weighed them on a Gempro 250. Hodgdon H322. For subs, I run Lil Gun with berry's 220 gr in my 8" at 1050 FPS. This might end up being a very good powder for carbine gassed guns. All in all for first impressions, I would say disappointment is the word best describing the experience. Personally, I would go all the way down to the starting load and work up from there. It meters well, my Vintage RCBS powder measure was set up to throw 21.3 grains of 1680. 1038 More shooting will sort that out. I dont have any h110 right now. Fast Facts About 300 Blackout. 774 fps Rem 7 1/2 Accurate 1680 is good for subs and h110, cfe blk, imr 4227 and lil gun work good for supersonic loads. by alamo5000 Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:54 pm, Post I will say that it has all the qualities inherent to 1680 that drove me to work hard to find a substitute. Spent a little more time with CFE today, learning the quirks of the powder. Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. Ramshot Enforcer. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. That's the big problem with H110/296. But note, seating depth can make a significant difference in pressures. Compressed CFE BLK 110 gr. So a little different than you are asking but I leave the H110 for the 44 mag. . The 300 is very close to the 30 carbine so that is why it is used. Not being argumentative, just curious. It's good for target or mid-range loads in magnums but it's faster burning than AA9, 2400, or H110/WW296, 4227 or Lil'gun. Im guessing the tac-tx Ive got will do the same thing. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Hodgdon Tite Group. var s = document.getElementsByTagName('script')[0]; s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga, s); You can lap the inside of the seater stem so that it matches the exact profile of the bullet. The Hodgdon loading guide for the 300 Blackout, 150 grn bullet, 16" barrel shows a max recommended load (20.5C grns) that only produces 33,500 PSI max pressure. I am also using 220 grain subsonic loads. It provides full function in modern sporting rifles throughout . 21.88, 22.08 I reload 357 and 44 mag so therefore I have a good supply of H-110. The change in the group from last week to this reflects that. 208 Amax, 11 grains at 2.260. Be safe. Email ( required; will not be published ). While the S.A.A.M.I.-recommended maximum overall cartridge length is 1.680 inches, my Marlin 1894 feeds 1.720-inch-long rounds without a hitch. One other tidbit is my last shot has continued to be an anomaly. H110/W296 can give me more velocity with lighter bullet weights. I've thought about trying the 20.2g max, but it's been really accurate, so not worth messing with. BTW, 18.5 grs pushing 110 gr Hornady SP's are way more accurate out of my cheap PSA rifle than I would have ever figured staring out. This spherical propellant is designed expressly for the 300 Remington AAC Blackout cartridge and meters very accurately. I just bought a jug of H110 to start working on a load in that powder my rifle. I've read the ballistics and reloading guides but would like to hear user reports for reloaders who have experience with CFE BLK and H110 in 300 AAC Blackout in SBRs and AR15 Pistols. A sub sonic load was louder than I am used to for a bolt action. ga.src = ('https:' == document.location.protocol ? I know getting your choice of powders is tough right now, but maybe CFE isn't the best choice for that bullet weight. That's impossible to get with a 10 grain load. Select your cartridge type from the drop-down list. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Known for its ability to deliver heavy subsonic bullets for standard AR magazines while cycling the action in suppressed applications, it also works well with lighter supersonic loads, offering a similar external ballistic performance to the 7.62x39mm Russian ( check out my 300 AAC Blackout Review from September 2012 ). I use mostly Hornady heads and I really like this caliber. It is cross-compatible with 223 Rem/5.5645 magazines. I've tried Lil Gun for 300BOit seems to run hot. Add in cast bullets to the mix and you have to start looking at peak pressure matching bullet hardness. In order to get a fair trial for powder burn, cleanliness and blow back. There is very low port and muzzle pressure. 881 fps, 18 barrel carbine gas I use H110 for supers (110gr) and AA1680 for subs (180 and 208gr). Shooters World SBR-SOCOM. 11.2 CFE BLK 892 fps. 19 IMR Co IMR GREEN 69 Hodgdon CFE BLK 119 Norma 204 20 Winchester WST 70 Norma 200 120 Hodgdon HYBRID 100V . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. check out the. I was going to Houston anyway but it's a big city with lots of traffic. New CFE BLK shares this reduced fouling technology which was developed originally for the U.S. military. I have loaded and shot the 44 Mag since the late 50's. I currently have a Smith 69, the 5 shot revolver on the "L" frame, and . 'https://ssl' : 'http://www') + '.google-analytics.com/ga.js'; Clear Ballistics Gel Test, Kimber Camp Guard ? CFE BLK It seems to throw high spreads until you get to 95% plus. As someone said above, maybe the case capacity of this brass is lower causing it to be more full???? ES in the hundreds. 1720fps from 8 inch barrel. I know it's probably not much help but I've loaded quite a bit of 300blk and I'm really not of fan of CFE BLK in both sub and super loads. I use H110 mostly for 410 shotshells and 450 Bushmaster heavy loads. For light supers, H110/W296 is a fair bit faster than any other powder in published data I've seen. But for sub-sonic loads I have found IMR 4227 under a Barry's 220gr and Accurate 1680 under a Maker 220gr REX work better and are quieter than than similar velocities with the same bullets driven by H110. When I talked to Hodgdon the guy thought the velocity spread would be on the smaller side because of the 7 barrel. I really think the answer seems to be 100-110% case fill to get reasonable spreads. I have probably written it off as a short barrel/pistol gas powder. Back to the Hornady 208 Amax. Hodgdon Trail Boss. Again 5 shots at fifty, for reference that is a 1 dot. 44 Hodgdon CFE Pistol 94 IMR Co IMR 4166 144 Accurate Arms 8700 45 Ramshot Silhouette 95 IMR Co IMR 4064 145 Vihta Vuori 24N41 46 VihtaVuori 3N37 96 Norma 202 146 Hodgdon 50BMG The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. H110 is optimized for .30 Carbine. The others were fine in the bolt, but AR reliability dropped significantly with subs with H110 and 4227. Rem 7 1/2 primer by wildfowler Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:29 pm, Post Im right in the middle of the load data. 2500fps out of a 14.5" barrel. From my research, it seems to be best when nearly filling case, but not compressed, and I get nearly no unburned powder if I use CCI 450 Magnum primers. Well damn. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/406443/Screenshot_2019-05-14_at_6_52_41_AM-944706.png. Right now my feeling is that this is a powder that needs to be compressed. COSteve, I read your post, and I take it that none of the H110 comparison was with 300BO, correct? Much of the effectiveness of that round relies upon its 3,000 feet per second . A couple of known loads were within reason. by 41Bear Mon Jul 09, 2018 7:44 am, Post _gaq.push(['_setDomainName', '.accurateshooter.com']); Shooters World BUFFALO RIFLE. var ga = document.createElement('script'); ga.type = 'text/javascript'; ga.async = true; The second test was with CFE BLK loaded to 34.0 grs. The group on the left, starts showing some promise. 73802E56-837F-48A2-A7B4-AF21CA7EB748.jpeg, FF62D836-B35B-4269-9A64-85377653D7E4.jpeg. I surmised that it was in part because of the larger charge weight recommended. 896 fps I am happy to say that from a 24 barrel there was no flash when suppressed. Using federal AR match primer. I'm also hearing that people are having good results with CFE BLK but according to the burn rate chart CFE BLK is even slower thank A1680. Not sure what weight you are using but I am using it in a 16" carbine length adjustable direct impinge gas system. I dropped the charge .3 grn because I wanted to test velocity in both an 8 pistol gas system and an 18 carbine. 300 Blackout Journey Page 7 Hammer Of Thor, 300 Blackout Journey Page 10-Competition Electronics Digital Link, Reloading 300 Blackout: Ruger American Ranch Rifle 300, I Am Coming Out: 308 Subsonic AR10 vs AR15 300 Blackout 200gr Hornady ELD-X, Comprehensive Corrosion Test: 46 Products Compared, Waltz, DRock, PacoAcuRzr resizing dies bulk 22LR testing, A tribute to William Mike Willard of Swamp Fox Ammunition, The Original 10mm Ammo Made By FFV NORMA AB ?S-670 40 AMOTFORS ? It is somewhat encouraging tho. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. 2.185 COL The same case holds 26.3 grains of CFE BLk. 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